5-HTP

5-HTP with Paxil, when nursing, for men, with insomnia in Parkinson’s and when it gives you nightmares: questions and answers

December 9, 2022 By Trudy Scott 8 Comments

5-HTP is an amino acid, made from the seeds of an African plant, Griffonia simplicifolia, and used as a supplement to ease low serotonin symptoms of worry-type anxiety, often with ruminations, obsessing and panic attacks. When you have insomnia caused by low serotonin you may lie awake worrying. This type of anxiety is different from the low GABA physical/tension type anxiety. Other low serotonin symptoms include low mood/depression, late afternoon and evening carbohydrate cravings, pain, digestive/IBS symptoms, PMS, irritability, rage and anger, TMJ, low confidence, imposter syndrome and perfectionism.

I’ve blogged about 5-HTP extensively and I receive many great questions about this supplement. Today I’m going to share some of these questions and my answers so you can get the benefits too: using it with Paxil, insomnia when you have Parkinson’s disease, if 5-HTP works for men, timing of 5-HTP with nightmares and if 5-HTP can be used in pregnancy and when nursing.

Haley shared how 5-HTP helps with insomnia and asks about taking it with Paxil:

I was taking 5-HTP and it definitely helped me sleep at night. I recently started Paxil for my panic attacks after a recent trauma and I’m no longer sure if I can take Paxil with 5-HTP or not?

I’m so glad to hear 5-HTP helped with sleep. I’m sorry to hear about your recent trauma but keep in mind the other benefits of 5-HTP – helping with panic attacks is just one. When I’m working with someone who has experienced something like this and is already seeing benefits with 5-HTP, we increase their 5-HTP to help with the panic attacks too.

If they have already started Paxil and would prefer to stop using it I have them read this tapering blog and work/discuss with their prescribing doctor. There is the risk of serotonin syndrome with SSRIs (such as Paxil) and 5-HTP (and tryptophan).

There are many nutritional solutions for trauma and psychological stress (a natural disaster or anything else) and we’d address all this too.

Lynn has Parkinson’s disease and sleep problems:

I have Parkinson’s and sleep is starting to be an issue. I usually fall asleep but after about 4 hours I’m wide awake. I’m afraid this sleeplessness will negatively affect my brain if I can’t remedy this. I take carbidopa/levodopa. I’ve seen a sleep neurologist and she wants to prescribe drugs which again I’m afraid will have a negative effect on my brain. Your suggestions around 5-HTP would be very much appreciated.

We always start with the low serotonin symptoms and do a trial of either 5-HTP or tryptophan if it looks like low serotonin is the root cause of the sleep issues (there are many other root causes of insomnia).

If you score high on many of the low serotonin symptoms I suggest sharing this 5-HTP/Parkinson’s disease blog post and research with your sleep neurologist and Parkinson’s doctor: “Research shows that the amino acid 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan), the intermediate metabolite of tryptophan in the production of serotonin, offers benefits for Parkinson’s disease patients. It has been reported to ease depression and to reduce levodopa-induced motor complications. This was reported in two separate studies by the same research team at the University of Cagliari, Cagliari, Italy. They were small studies and considered preliminary.”

Meleah asks about using 5-HTP with men:

Hi Trudy, did you recommend the same protocol for men? Most of the examples are about women and I have a male friend who needs help

Generally speaking the amino acids work the same for men but I have found that the impact they have on the sex hormone estrogen when using 5-HTP or tryptophan (and progesterone when using GABA) means they tend to work exceptionally well for women.

I also have much more experience working with women so I have more to share on these outcomes. With the few men I have worked with I find they tend to under-report when looking at their low serotonin symptoms so this needs to be taken into account when doing the trial of 5-HTP or tryptophan.

Scott shared how he uses 5-HTP for insomnia and his solution for preventing nightmares when using it:

In regards to nightmares with 5-HTP, I definitely seem to experience disturbing dreams when I take it within 4 hours of bedtime. Therefore, I normally don’t take any after 7pm but do take it periodically throughout the day.

I also suggested it to a friend who tried and likes it very much, however, he experienced excessive dreaming which interferes with him sleeping soundly, so I suggested the same protocol to him.

When I was in college, I am now a senior, I tried taking regular tryptophan and soon started having nightmares and hallucinations as I began seeing faces on the wall when I was trying to fall asleep.

I only take 5-HTP now, in extended release 200mg tablets from the Natrol company. Thank you, Trudy, for bringing this subject up.

I thanked him for sharing this interesting nuance of nightmares with 5-HTP and using it in the day instead. (which I blogged about here i.e. some folks do get nightmares when using 5-HTP)

I’m glad he figured this out and it helps since tryptophan does cause him nightmares. We are all so different and have to find what works best for our unique needs.

Carly asks about using 5-HTP when nursing:

Can someone take 5-HTP while nursing?

5-HTP has not been studied during pregnancy or nursing but a free form amino acid blend that does contain tryptophan is often very helpful. You have to really look for these because many companies choose to leave out tryptophan. I have a few listed on the supplements blog.

Other approaches to improve mood, reduce anxiety and help with sleep while nursing include exercise, yoga, diet and bright light therapy/full spectrum light. Dr. Aviva Romm writes about herbs for anxiety and specifies which are safe while nursing.

If you are new to other anxiety nutrition solutions like gluten/sugar/caffeine removal, blood sugar control, gut health, and pyroluria my book “The Antianxiety Food Solution” is a great place to start for the foundations. Much of this helps with low mood, cravings and insomnia too. More here.

5-HTP is often successfully used in conjunction with other amino acids

Here are some useful blogs related to low serotonin and 5-HTP. As you can see, it’s often successfully used in conjunction with other amino acid supplementation:

You can see all the low serotonin symptoms here.
Fibromyalgia: tryptophan or 5-HTP for anxiety, depression, pain and insomnia
GABA is a life saver for anxiety, theanine helps at night (insomnia) and 5-HTP makes a significant difference in lessening daily pain
Drastic reduction in intrusive thoughts, anxiety and fears (and better sleep) with GABA, tryptophan, 5-HTP and the pyroluria protocol
If low GABA type anxiety and insomnia is also an issue you may find this helpful too – GABA for easing physical anxiety and tension: some questions and answers.
An amino acid supplement with DLPA, glutamine and 5-HTP eases alcohol withdrawal symptoms at an inpatient detoxification program
You can see the 5-HTP and tryptophan products (and GABA) I use with my clients here on the supplements blog.

As always, it’s not only the low serotonin we need to address. 5-HTP offers quick relief but we must always do a full functional workup looking at diet, nutritional deficiencies, digestion, all hormones, toxins and infections (and so on) so we can address all possible root causes – and why serotonin is low in the first place.

I also want to add that I typically start with tryptophan for low serotonin support simply because I have such good results with it and because 5-HTP can raise cortisol in some folks. If we already have salivary cortisol results and none of the four collections are high then 5-HTP is an option to consider.

Resources if you are new to using 5-HTP and other amino acids as supplements

If you are new to using 5-HTP or any of the other amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the symptoms of neurotransmitter imbalances, including low GABA and low serotonin).

If you suspect low levels of any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the practitioner/health team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, gluten, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.

The book doesn’t include product names (per the publisher’s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements, lists the amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs. You can find them all in my online store.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA QuickStart Program (if you have low GABA symptoms). This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support.

If you are a practitioner, join us in The Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals program. This is also a paid online/virtual program with an opportunity to interact with me and other practitioners who are also using the amino acids.

Thanks to these folks for asking good questions and for allowing me to share here.

What questions do you have about 5-HTP?

Which low serotonin symptoms can you relate to and has 5-HTP or tryptophan helped? Or have you found success with a combination?

Feel free to post your questions and feedback in the comments below.

Does 5-HTP (an amino acid) cause nightmares or does it help prevent nightmares (and also support low serotonin symptoms)?

October 7, 2022 By Trudy Scott 24 Comments

How do you do with using the amino acid 5-HTP for supporting your low serotonin symptoms of anxiety, worry, ruminating, fears, depression and insomnia? Does it help or does it cause nightmares? On a recent Facebook thread someone shared that 5-HTP causes really bad nightmares, so she had to stop using it. A few others posted saying 5-HTP also caused them nightmares. I’ve not had any clients report nightmares, so I was surprised to hear this feedback. However, most folks on the same Facebook thread shared that 5-HTP works very well for them and does not cause nightmares. There is also research that supports the use of 5-HTP for night terrors. I suspect it may have to do with low vitamin B6 and share more on that below.

Here is her experience with 5-HTP and nightmares and some of my feedback:

I don’t know how anyone takes 5-HTP. The horrific nightmares I got from taking it made me stop 50 mg. I tried 3 times thinking it was a fluke and it happened every time. Too scary for me.

My first try was suggested from my Naturopath, Metagenics SeroSyn. 200 mg. First morning waking up I had a nightmare so bad I can’t even share it. I also woke up feeling unable to wake up, drugged almost. So I waited, did more research and googled 5-HTP and nightmares just to see if there was a connection. I found it. I read to lower the dosage. So I went to Pure Encapsulations 50 mg. Same thing happened. I tried 2 more times, same thing happened. When I researched, I found so many people talking about “vivid dreams” and after my last attempt the dream was so real I thought my son was in my home when I woke up and had to process reality from my dream. That did it for me. Now I’m terrified of it. Just my own experience. I did get help from depression though! But I cannot go through one evil for another. Now I’m stuck looking for help and answers.

I thanked her for sharing and agreed it does help to do a few experiments to be sure it was the 5-HTP. I also shared that I would not consider the Metagenics SeroSyn a good 5-HTP to test because of all the other ingredients. But it also happened with Pure Encapsulations 50 mg 5-HTP – that was a good test to confirm.

I also shared that some folks do better on 5-HTP and some on tryptophan so if 5-HTP did help with low serotonin symptoms then I’d consider a trial of tryptophan especially since she did say using the 5-HTP helped with her depression.

We would also look for other ways to support serotonin – saffron, turmeric, St. John’s Wort, theanine (it supports GABA, serotonin and dopamine) and of course diet (real whole food, quality animal protein, no gluten/sugar/caffeine, fermented foods, organic vegetables and fruit, healthy fats etc), gut health and more.

I’d also look into and address low zinc and low vitamin B6 as both are needed to make serotonin and the other neurotransmitters. More on low vitamin B6, pyroluria and nightmares below.

Here is some of the feedback from other folks who also had issues with 5-HTP:

5-HTP didn’t mix well with my body either. Taken at night, horrible dreams, and 50mg Pure Encapsulations formula in the morning made me feel so dark, spaced out and terrible nausea.
I appreciate this post. I had nightmares from a magnesium supplement that included 5-HTP! Now I know I’m not alone.

And here is some of the feedback from folks who do well with 5-HTP (the majority of those who responded):

I take 100 mg of 5-HTP in the morning (Natural Factors) and about 350 mg of tryptophan before bed (Lidtke). It works well for me. No nightmares although I do dream a lot. Mostly noticed improvement in mood and ruminating thoughts. Also taking Sam-e which also helps.
I take chewable natural factors Tranquil Sleep. It contains other ingredients (like theanine) as well but it’s really easy to dose. If I take 2 it’s too much. I get weird dreams and a headache. So 1 1/2 it is.
5-htp helped me so much! But I had to take it in the morning. 250mg was perfect for me. I was using this for my debilitating anxiety which would keep me in flight or fight all day and I would ruminate. Really helped me along with therapy. I no longer need it.
I’ve just started taking 50mg 5-HTP at night. It’s a micronized version I buy from a compounding chemist in Australia. No negative side effects so far.
Grateful for the reminder … I did great on 5-htp myself. Have had all dose amounts, given at different times too. I deal with chronic pain and trauma/stress.
My sister gets anxiety on 5-HTP but it helps me so much! I have not tracked regular consumption compared to my sleep (I get too much REM without it and wake up exhausted). I also no longer need it as a daily and can take it as needed. I take 200mg, forget the brand but it’s a single ingredient.
I take 50 mg of 5-HTP from Seeking Health and do very well on it. It has helped me with depression, worry, fear, more energy and motivation and no nightmares.
I take the Now brand, 100mg at bedtime along with the same brand of L theanine. No nightmares and I’ve been doing this for about 5 years.
I use 50mg Seeking Health 5-HTP and I love it. It gives me energy and motivation, helps with intrusive thoughts and anxiety. I’ve used the Jarrow brand in the past without results. No nightmares. P5P, on the other hand, I cannot take. It gives me such clear, vivid nightmares I would wake up crying. Never again.

We are all unique and there is clearly no one-size fits all.

Low vitamin B6 can cause nightmares or poor dream recall

It’s well recognized that low vitamin B6 can cause nightmares or poor dream recall. In this study, Effects of Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) and a B Complex Preparation on Dreaming and Sleep (which was randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled), 100 participants from across Australia were given 240 mg vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride) before bed for five consecutive days. Other study participants were given a B complex. This is the outcome of the study:

vitamin B6 significantly increased the amount of dream content participants recalled but did not significantly affect dream vividness, bizarreness, or color, nor did it significantly affect other sleep-related variables
participants in the B complex group showed significantly lower self-rated sleep quality and significantly higher tiredness on waking

This vitamin B6/dream recall research is of particular interest to me because of my work with pyroluria, a social anxiety condition which responds really well to supplementation with zinc, vitamin B6 or P5P (pyridoxal-5-phosphate) or a combination of both, and a few other key nutrients. Here is the pyroluria questionnaire.

One of the classic signs of pyroluria is poor dream recall, stressful or bizarre dreams, or nightmares, signs which the late Carl Pfeiffer, MD attributed to low vitamin B6 status. He suggested that your dreams and dream recall serve as a good indicator of your need for vitamin B6. You should dream every night and you should remember your dreams. They should be pleasant – the kind of dreams where you wake up and want to close your eyes and continue dreaming.

Could it be that folks who get nightmares with 5-HTP, happen to also have pyroluria? Or perhaps they simply have low vitamin B6 status? I have all my anxious clients supplement with vitamin B6 and/or P5P and this may be why nightmares with 5-HTP was news to me.

5-HTP can increase cortisol – does this affect nightmares?

There is research and clinical evidence supporting that, for some individuals, 5-HTP can raise cortisol. I’ve blogged about this here:

This is not always the case. Someone in the same Facebook thread shared this: “My cortisol measured above the reference range, but 5-HTP is the only thing I’ve found that’s helping me sleep recently.”

I’m not aware of a high cortisol-nightmare connection but it’s possible. In one study, nightmares triggered high cortisol the next morning, but I donut this has relevance in this situation.

5-HTP induces long-term improvement of sleep terrors in children

There clearly is a subset of folks who don’t do well with 5-HTP and yet there is evidence that it can actually improve sleep terrors. In a small open label clinical trial of 45 children, it was found that 5-HTP was able to “modulate the arousal level in children and to induce a long-term improvement of sleep terrors” (in the majority of children in the trial). There were 34 male and 11 female children ranging in age from 3.2-10.6 years.

After the first visit, L -5-HTP was administered (2 mg/kg per day) at bedtime to 31 randomly selected patients for a single period of 20 consecutive days. After 1 month of treatment, 29/31 (93.5%) of patients showed a positive response. In the comparison group without drug therapy, after 1 month, the episodes disappeared only in four children (28.6%) while ten children (71.4%) showed the persistence of episodes with the same frequency as before. After 6 months, 26/31 (83.9%) of children treated with L -5HTP were sleep terror-free, while in five children (16.1%) sleep terror episodes persisted. Of the children in the comparison group, ten (71.4%) continued to show sleep terrors at 6-month follow-up.

If we assume a 10-year-old weighs, 70lb or close to 32kg, they would have been given 60mg 5-HTP (i.e. 2 mg/kg).

Typical adult dosing of 5-HTP is 50mg twice a day, mid-afternoon and evening. For a 10-year-old we may start with a quarter of this dose i.e. 12.5mg or 25mg 5-HTP twice a day, for a total of 25mg or 50mg a day – which is close to what was used in this study.

You can read more about this in the paper here: L -5-Hydroxytryptophan treatment of sleep terrors in children

Resources if you are new to using 5-HTP and other amino acids as supplements

If you are new to using any of the amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the symptoms of neurotransmitter imbalances, including low serotonin and low GABA).

How do you do with 5-HTP for low mood, worry-type of low serotonin anxiety, cravings, PMS, negative self-talk, anger/rage/irritability, insomnia, ruminating thoughts, winter blues etc? Does it help?

Or does it give you nightmares that are bad enough that you have had to stop?

Please share how much you used? And if tryptophan or other serotonin support helped instead?

Did the addition of vitamin B6 or P5P help prevent the nightmares when using 5-HTP?

And do you have pyroluria or suspect you may have it? Do you have high cortisol?

If you’re a practitioner I’d love to hear your experiences with 5-HTP and nightmares.

If you have questions please share them here too.

GABA is a life saver for anxiety, theanine helps at night (insomnia) and 5-HTP makes a significant difference in lessening daily pain

September 16, 2022 By Trudy Scott 16 Comments

Joie has Sjogren’s, Hashimoto’s, fibromyalgia & collagenous colitis (all diagnosed after severe mold exposure) and shared how GABA is a life saver for her anxiety, how theanine helps at night with her insomnia and how 5-HTP makes a significant difference in lessening her daily pain. Here is her wonderful feedback in her own words (my feedback for her follows):

I was diagnosed with Sjogrens several years ago. I also have Hashimoto’s, Fibromyalgia & Collagenous Colitis. All of these happened after a severe mold exposure which destroyed my pituitary, and caused Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI). I have to take human growth hormone injections daily, as my pituitary isn’t working, digestive enzymes for the EPI, and have experienced the anxiety and depression you’ve written about.

The GABA has been a life saver for me (for my anxiety), and I share this with all I know who experience anxiety. I also use L-theanine at night because of insomnia. The 5-HTP has helped somewhat for sleep. L-tryptophan didn’t seem to make a difference. However the 5-HTP has made a significant difference in lessening my daily pain levels, which I am most grateful for.

Unfortunately, I am also taking Klonopin and Gabapentin, both of which I have tried to get off of but keep finding myself back on both in order to have greater than 5 hours of sleep at night. Even with these, I often awaken after 4-6 hours and take 1-2 chewable GABA which allows me to go back to sleep and get 2-4 more hours of sleep.

She shared this on the blog, Sjogren’s syndrome: tryptophan and GABA for anxiety, and moisturizing for dry skin and inflammation?, where I write about the prevalence of anxiety and depression in this autoimmune condition, and the fact that serotonin and GABA are often low.

I shared how sorry I was to hear how mold has impacted her but that it was wonderful to hear the GABA has been a lifesaver for you in terms of anxiety (and when waking in the night) and that theanine helps her sleep. It’s wonderful that 5-HTP helps ease her daily pain (here is fibromyalgia research on 5-HTP) and helps somewhat with her sleep issues.

Has she increased the amino acids to the optimal doses for her unique needs?

My question for her was this: “how much of each of these amino acids are you using and have you increased them to the optimal doses for your unique needs?” I asked this because many folks don’t do this and we always want to capitalize on what is working.

Here are some examples that relate to Joie:

When 5-HTP helps with pain relief we also do afternoon and bedtime trials to see if it can improve sleep further. And we always explore some of the reasons why serotonin may be low and address those too. You can read more on that here: what causes low serotonin

I shared that tryptophan doesn’t work for everyone and some do better with 5-HTP, but I do also consider melatonin when sleep is an issue, especially timed release to prevent waking in the night.

Since GABA is a lifesaver for her in terms of her anxiety and also helps when she wakes, trialing higher doses at bedtime may prevent the early morning waking. The same could be said for trialing a higher dose of theanine and using both GABA and theanine together at night (a 2019 study shows the combination decreases sleep latency and improves NREM sleep).

High cortisol, rebound sleep issues with meds and/or poor fat digestion?

If she has already done the above, I’d explore high cortisol and do a 5-collection an adrenal saliva test). When cortisol is high during the night, the use of Seriphos can be a game-changer for many.

Unfortunately both Klonopin and Gabapentin (especially the former) can cause rebound insomnia even when they seem to be helping in the short-term.

I also mentioned that my recent blog post many be helpful since she mentions exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, which could affect sleep by impacting her fat digestion – Waking in the night due to environmental toxins: impacts on the liver, gallbladder and fat digestion (making oxalate issues worse). This has relevance whether or not oxalates are an issue.

Autoimmune-Paleo (AIP) diet, pyroluria and moisturizing for reducing inflammation

It goes without saying that since Sjogren’s, Hashimoto’s and even Collagenous Colitis are autoimmune conditions, following an Autoimmune-Paleo (AIP) diet is key too. I have links to some AIP resources on the above Sjogren’s blog post.

In this blog I also mention pyroluria which may be relevant for someone with Collagenous Colitis and is crucial to address when there has been toxic mold exposure or other chronic issues like Lyme disease or MCAS. More on this here.

And you can also read about the value of moisturizing for reducing inflammation.

I thanked her and said I plan to share her results and my response as a new blog as I feel it will help others and give hope!

Resources if you are new to using amino acids as supplements

If you need serotonin support, the Serotonin QuickStart Program is a good place to get help. This is also a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance on using tryptophan and 5-HTP safely, and community support during 5 LIVE Q&A calls. You can sign up to be notified when the next live launch of this program is happening.

Wrapping up and your feedback

I’d love to hear if GABA helped with your anxiety and insomnia? What about theanine? And 5-HTP for your pain? Or melatonin for sleep?

Have you used taurine with success for fat digestion? Or Seriphos for high cortisol?

What else has helped you with symptoms like these ones?

If you have questions please share them here too.

Collagen causes increased anxiety, low mood, irritability, insomnia, gut issues and an itchy skin: some questions and my answers

September 2, 2022 By Trudy Scott 37 Comments

Today we have some feedback from folks on some of the negative impacts they experienced when consuming collagen. I’m sharing their questions and the feedback I gave them in the hope this will help you too. Not everyone experiences unpleasant symptoms when consuming collagen but those who are susceptible may experience the following: increased anxiety or new anxiety, feeling low, inability to sleep or worsening sleep, tension, irritability, gut issues, itchy skin, frequent urination, a bad mood, worsening psoriasis, blepharitis, panic attacks and a disrupted menstrual cycle.

The causes of these symptoms can be due to the serotonin-lowering effects of collagen, the dietary oxalate impact, a histamine reaction and/or a glutamate reaction to collagen.

Beth shares how she feels low and anxious after using marine collagen for five days:

Have just recently begun receiving your emails. I read the above article and wanted to let you know of my experience. I started taking Vital Proteins marine collagen to see if it would improve sun damage to my skin. I took one scoop for about five days. On the fifth day I felt very low. So low that it made me somewhat anxious. As I have trouble with anxiety I stopped it immediately. Felt better the next day. The container lists 19 amino acids including tryptophan but the amount of it is zero mg. I hadn’t noticed that when I started taking it. After reading your article I’m fairly sure that that is why I felt depressed.

I shared this: for individuals who have observed a mood dip or increase in anxiety since using collagen or gelatin, I suggest they stop using collagen/gelatin and see how they feel, then add it back and see how they feel (sometimes more than once if they are not certain).

If they do see a correlation, look at the low serotonin symptoms and do a trial of tryptophan or 5-HTP (after checking the precautions) to see if this improves their low mood and reduces their anxiety when using collagen/gelatin. This confirms if their symptoms are due to the serotonin-lowering effects and allows them to continue using it for the benefits it provides.

Be sure to read the above collagen/serotonin blog for some of the research on what makes some folks more susceptible to the serotonin-lowering effects: a current depression/anxiety or history of depression/anxiety (even a family history), prior use of antidepressants, OCD / obsessive compulsive disorder, MAOA and/or 5-HTTLPR (the serotonin transporter gene) polymorphisms, smokers or former smokers, and women polydrug ecstasy users. This is not a conclusive list.

It’s interesting that she mentions her product has tryptophan listed with zero mg. When I looked online I didn’t see it listed on the product at all. Maybe it’s a change they have made to the label.

I also shared that when you are new to the amino acids (and other anxiety nutrition solutions like real whole food, quality animal protein, fermented foods, organic produce, health fats, gluten/sugar/caffeine removal, blood sugar control, gut health, pyroluria etc) my book “The Antianxiety Food Solution” is a great place to start.

The above question and the following questions come from the popular blog, Collagen and gelatin lower serotonin: does this increase your anxiety and depression?

How long after stopping bone broth does it take for this anxious feeling to leave?

Diane asks about bone broth and collagen and how it causes extreme anxiety and sleep problems:

I just finished your book and have to say how awesome it is ! A wealth of information. As I am struggling with many of the issues, I do have a question on bone broth and collagen. I have definitely noticed extreme anxiety and inability to sleep with bone broth and collagen supplement.(plus spring allergies are at play as well) I even tried a piece of Turkey with my bone broth this week to see if that helped. I have such gut issues I was really hoping to use bone broth. Anyway, my question is how long after stopping bone broth does it take for this anxious feeling to leave? Days or weeks? I want it cleared out before I try adding tryptophan with the broth.

I thanked her for the great feedback on my book. It’s wonderful to have the foundational stuff in place and she’s getting that from my book.

I don’t have an answer on how long symptoms can last as it’s very individualized. Typically if the effects are caused by serotonin being lowered, using either tryptophan or 5-HTP can result in significantly less anxiety and better sleep in a few days, provided the optimal dose is used.

Keep in mind that spring allergies can often make things worse and more tryptophan or 5-HTP may be needed during the allergy period. The dose would then need to be reduced once allergy season has passed. I blog about spring allergies and increased anxiety here.

My advice would be to use the tryptophan or 5-HTP to resolve the anxiety and insomnia and then once resolved, consider adding back the collagen and monitoring how she is doing. At this time she may need to bump up her tryptophan or 5-HTP yet again.

Is it a histamine reaction rather than low serotonin? (or an oxalate or glutamate reaction?)

Kelly believes her symptoms may be a histamine reaction and not caused by low serotonin:

If you become anxious, tense, irritable, can’t sleep AND have some issues with itchy skin, frequent urination, worsened gut issues, etc., then it’s a histamine problem from the collagen/glycine, and not serotonin at all.

I shared that these symptoms could actually be both since low serotonin can also cause anxiety, tension, irritability and insomnia. But I agree the itchy skin, frequent urination, worsened gut issues are a big clue it’s a histamine issue too or perhaps only a histamine issue. Gut issues would happen with both low serotonin and histamine.

I’d start with a trial of tryptophan or 5-HTP because if it is low serotonin you will know very quickly. You can see what symptoms resolve and by how much.

Challenges with dietary oxalates could cause all the symptoms she experiences. So it’s a matter of figuring it out for each person. If you already know you have histamine or oxalate issues it’s also relatively easy to figure out by simply stopping the collagen and/or adding the counter-measures you typically use – like quercetin for histamine reactions and calcium citrate for oxalate issues.

It’s possible that some of these symptoms are a glutamate reaction too – like anxiety, tension, irritability and insomnia – and the amino acid GABA may help in this instance.

A bad mood, insomnia, psoriasis, blepharitis, panic attacks, hormone imbalance – oxalates or serotonin-lowering effects?

Em shares how she had a really bad mood, full blown insomnia, worsening psoriasis, blepharitis, panic attacks and disrupted menstrual cycle:

I am soooo glad I found this article. I started taking Oslo Skin Labs collagen (Verisol, so it is considered good quality) half way through December 2021. Looking back, that is when the problems started. I started sleeping restlessly and it got really bad in January. Full blown insomnia. My psoriasis got much worse, the blepharitis too. I have severe Endometriosis and was worried that if these other inflammation issues (psoriasis causes skin inflammation and blepharitis causes eye inflammation) were worse then maybe my endo was worse also since that can’t be checked on the outside.

Besides the inflammation symptoms I was experiencing extremely bad moods, feeling tense to the point of bordering on panic attacks and also a disrupted menstrual cycle.

I have been on Amitriptyline for 1,5 years and it worked wonders on my mood and sleep and I just couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t working any more. Then I realized that the only thing I changed was adding collagen to my diet in my fruit/vegetable smoothie ( I don’t drink coffee). So I started Googeling and found your article and stopped the collagen immediately. Have stopped for 2 days now and already my eyes are less red and inflamed. Pfew! It’s crazy and also scary how serious the side effects of collagen have been.

Do you think that besides the tryptophan lowering side effect that also the histamine might have played a part in my case? I don’t dare try the collagen with tryptophan supplement as the potential side effects are too serious to play around with. But I’m very bummed out about missing out on the skin and hair benefits.

Would love to hear your thoughts. I follow a vegetarian diet by the way and eat super healthy.

With Em I’d suspect an oxalate issue first because of the worsening psoriasis, blepharitis and endometriosis. She is also a vegetarian and this diet is often high in dietary oxalates. I write about oxalates and pain here.

However, with the “bad moods, feeling tense to the point of bordering on panic attacks and also a disrupted menstrual cycle”, I’d also suspect a serotonin-lowering impact. As mentioned above, a history of mood issues and antidepressant use can be a predisposing factor. She would need to work with her prescribing doctor if she wanted to use tryptophan or 5-HTP because Amitriptyline has the potential to cause serotonin syndrome.

It’s also possible that her symptoms are caused in part by a histamine or glutamate reaction too.

With appreciation for helping to create awareness about these issues with collagen

I have much appreciation for each of these women for asking these questions and sharing their symptoms so we can all learn. There is not much awareness about collagen being problematic for some susceptible folks and it’s a very rude awakening when you start using something for the health benefits and have a bad reaction. Hopefully their stories and others like this will help create more awareness.

The good news is that once you identify your cause/s and address them as above, you can often continue to consume collagen.

Resources if you are new to using tryptophan/5-HTP and other amino acids as supplements

Have you experienced any adverse symptoms when using collagen? Please share the symptoms so we can all learn from each other .

And were you able to figure out if it was due to low serotonin, a histamine or glutamate reaction or because of dietary oxalates?

If it was low serotonin, has tryptophan or 5-HTP helped so you can continue to use collagen?

If you have questions please share them here too.

How to alleviate the fear and anxiety associated with choking and vomiting in Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID)

May 27, 2022 By Trudy Scott 14 Comments

According to The National Eating Disorders Association /NEDA, “Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID) is a new diagnosis in the DSM-5, and was previously referred to as “Selective Eating Disorder.” ARFID is similar to anorexia in that both disorders involve limitations in the amount and/or types of food consumed, but unlike anorexia, ARFID does not involve any distress about body shape or size, or fears of fatness.”

As you can read on this page:

“Many children with ARFID also have a co-occurring anxiety disorder, and they are also at high risk for other psychiatric disorders”
There are also “fears of choking or vomiting” and
There is a “dramatic restriction in types or amount of food eaten” and they will often “only eat certain textures of food”

What we seldom see addressed is the biochemical causes of anxiety and fears which can show up as phobias and ongoing worrying and obsessing about ingesting certain foods. These are all typical low serotonin symptoms.

With low serotonin (you can see all the symptoms here) we use the amino acids tryptophan or 5-HTP to raise serotonin and alleviate these symptoms (often within a few minutes).

However, what do we do when a child (or adult) with ARFID has low serotonin and is too terrified to even consider a trial of tryptophan or 5-HTP? This may be because of fear of choking or vomiting and/or because of an aversion to the taste/texture and/or the fact that they are being offered something new that is not on their “safe foods” list.

There is a similar issue with low GABA which can show up as physical anxiety and tummy issues like “constipation, abdominal pain, upset stomach.” Intrusive thoughts are a common sign of low GABA too and this can manifest as a debilitating fear of choking and dying.

There is the same issue with not being able to have the individual use sublingual GABA as a supplement in order to alleviate these symptoms.

It’s for this reason, we have to be creative and find other ways to support serotonin and GABA.

Other ways to boost serotonin and GABA

The traditional ways that tryptophan/5-HTP and GABA are used is opened onto the tongue or swallowed or chewed. However, there are other ways to boost serotonin and GABA in these kids with ARFID, without further adding to their distress:

Experiment with using tryptophan or 5-HTP topically. I’m not aware of a commercial topical product but I recently mixed 500mg tryptophan powder (only tryptophan with no fillers) into a base cream (I used Primal Derma beef tallow) and used it topically with success.
Experiment in a similar way with using GABA topically. It could be made at home too (with a GABA only powder) or a product such as Somnium GABA cream is an excellent option (I have used this product with success). I suspect the liposomal GABA/theanine products may also work topically (but have yet to experiment with this option).
If tolerated, GABA powder swished in the mouth but not swallowed, may be an option once some of the anxiety and fears have been reduced. GABA powder doesn’t taste bad (it’s slightly sweet) and mixes well in water. By swishing some in the mouth it can help reduce the fear of choking and esophageal spasms (if they are present). It may also help with the sensation of a lump-in-the-throat (called globus pharyngeus) that some kids with ARFID describe.
Liquid zinc (zinc sulfate) tastes like water when zinc levels are low and may be tolerated. This 2021 paper, Macro- and Micronutrient Intake in Children with Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder, lists low vitamin B1, vitamin B2, vitamin C, vitamin K, zinc, iron, and potassium in kids with ARFID. Zinc, iron and the B vitamins are all needed to make serotonin and GABA, and low zinc can reduce appetite. It’s also possible these children had low levels of some of these nutrients beforehand and that this contributed to their fears and restrictive eating.
Magnesium spray or other forms of topical magnesium creams can be used. Magnesium itself is calming and is a cofactor for making serotonin and GABA. An Epsom salts bath also provides magnesium and a warm bath with Epsom salts and an essential oil such as lavender is very calming.

Other less direct but equally effective approaches to include are:

gentle yoga (it supports GABA production and is calming)
swinging on an outdoor swing (reduces stress, cortisol and anxiety)
full spectrum light therapy (boosts serotonin)
vagus nerve support “This modern world can lead to overstimulation of the nervous system and you can become desensitized to chronic stress. Over time, this can lead to low vagal tone, which has been linked to a variety of mental and physical health issues.”
full spectrum infrared sauna (low heat and of short duration to simulate light exercise)
a weighted blanket is calming and improves mood and sleep and
essential oils such as orange (topically or diffused) can help with fear and anxiety.

Once serotonin and GABA levels have improved with some of the above measures, and more and more of the fear of choking and vomiting dissipates and food texture and taste aversion is reduced, the amino acids can then hopefully be introduced in the ways they are typically used (more on that below). This will further speed up the anxiety and fear reduction, allowing more and more foods to be slowly introduced.

If you are new to Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID)

Be sure to read more about ARFID on The National Eating Disorders Association /NEDA site: diagnostic criteria, risk factors, warning signs and symptoms (behavioral and psychological, and physical).

As with all eating disorders, the risk factors for ARFID involve a range of biological, psychological, and sociocultural issues. These factors may interact differently in different people, which means two people with the same eating disorder can have very diverse perspectives, experiences, and symptoms.

Resources if you are new to using tryptophan/5-HTP and GABA as supplements

If you are new to using the amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the low serotonin and low GABA symptoms).

If you suspect low levels of GABA or any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA QuickStart Program. This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support. There are many moms in the program who are having much success with their kids.

If you feel comfortable doing so, please share more about the ARFID struggles of your son or daughter in order to help more parents understand this disorder – their age, how long they have struggled, their fears and their safe food list.

Do let us know if you have found success with any of these approaches with your loved one with ARFID (or yourself)? And what other approaches have also helped?

If you are a practitioner are you seeing results with approaches like these with your ARFID clients/patients?

If you have questions please share them here too.

What causes low serotonin? Use tryptophan/5-HTP to help with the anxiety, overwhelm and worry right away and address all the root causes

May 13, 2022 By Trudy Scott 40 Comments

Low serotonin has a number of root causes which can be different for each person. If you do have low serotonin levels you always want to figure and address why it’s low. This can take time to figure out and resolve so you want to be using either tryptophan or 5-HTP (and sometimes both) to boost your serotonin levels and get symptom relief quickly. This helps with the worry, overwhelm, anxiety, insomnia, carb cravings, TMJ, irritability, PMS, anger, OCD, low mood and ruminations right away. It also helps with the worry and overwhelm triggered by sometimes complex and challenging root causes.

Here is a list of some of the many factors that may cause low serotonin for you:

stress and adrenal dysfunction (high cortisol affects your sex hormone and neurotransmitter production, inlcuding serotonin)
eating junk food and sugar (a Western diet “of processed or fried foods, refined grains, sugary products, and beer was associated with a higher odds of mood disorders”
consuming caffeine (which reduces zinc and B vitamins, needed to make serotonin)
not consuming enough quality animal protein (amino acids are the building blocks of our neurotransmitters, and grass fed red meat provides zinc, iron and omega-3s – all needed to make serotonin)
low stomach acid (meaning you can’t digest the protein you’re consuming)
gluten issues (leading to low serotonin and other nutritional deficiencies such as low iron, low vitamin D etc.)
low vitamin D (“Brain serotonin is synthesized from tryptophan by tryptophan hydroxylase 2, which is activated by vitamin D hormone”)
low iron/ferritin levels (iron is a cofactor for making serotonin)
dysbiosis and microbiome imbalances (we make so much serotonin in the gut)
candida (in one study short exposure to serotonin resulted in antifungal activity)
liver issues (affecting how you process xenoestrogens)
low bile production (affecting how you digest the healthy fats you’re eating)
sex hormone imbalances (serotonin and estrogen are very closely linked and women make less serotonin than men. In one study, tryptophan improved the low serotonin PMS symptoms)
thyroid imbalance (“it is postulated that one mechanism, among others, through which exogenous thyroid hormones may exert their modulatory effects in affective illness is via an increase in serotonergic neurotransmission”)
histamine imbalances (in one study “Acute LPS-induced inflammation increases CNS histamine and decreases CNS serotonin)”
the birth control pill (which lowers zinc and vitamin B6, both of which are needed for serotonin production)
statins (leading to cholesterol that is too low)
mold exposure/mycotoxins/mold poisoning
heavy metal toxicity such as lead (and tryptophan and ascorbic acid can help ease the anxiety)
Lyme disease and other co-infections (serotonin was found to be low in cerebrospinal fluid in patients with post-Lyme disease syndrome i.e. chronic Lyme)
collagen consumption (in susceptible folks this can lower serotonin levels)
seasonal allergies (“Cytokines may lead to a mood disturbance via the expression of the IDO enzyme, which shifts the synthesis of tryptophan from serotonin to kynurenine. The resultant acute tryptophan depletion results in decreased brain serotonin”)
genetics (one example is the MTHFR polymorphism)
low zinc, low vitamin B6 (and other B vitamins), low selenium, low magnesium etc. – all needed to make serotonin
oxalates (which can bind to zinc and deplete it)
a high copper diet (nut flours on Paleo diets can be problematic), copper IUD, copper pipes etc. (which can cause low zinc)
lack of nature (forest bathing reduces cortisol which affects serotonin production)
lack of exercise
lack of sunshine (like in the winter when serotonin declines)

When I posted some of this list on Facebook earlier this week, there was a great deal of interest, hence this blog. I’ve included one relevant link for each one so you can read further on the topic.

When I posted it I also asked this: “Have you figured out your root cause/s that are contributing to your low serotonin levels? And has tryptophan or 5-HTP helped while you’re figuring it all out?”

Leanne has mold, dysbiosis, Lyme, low vitamin D, bile issues and more

Leanne responded and gave me the go ahead to share especially if this helps someone else (I appreciate that!) She shared she has identified these root causes:

Mold. Dysbiosis. Possible Lyme/co-infections. Low vitamin D. Bile and motility issues. Liver issues. Stress. Low HCL. Those are the ones I’m aware of. And taking each and every day to work on them. It takes time to heal

I agree it takes time to heal and can be a longer journey for some folks, especially when there are a number of underlying factors. She is in a good frame of mind, saying pragmatically, it takes time to heal. This confirms her serotonin levels are robust i.e. she is not in a state of overwhelm and worry. Sure enough, when I asked if tryptophan or 5-HTP has been helping this was her response:

5-HTP and GABA calm initially helped me in my first round of going through this back in 2015. Then I discovered l-tryptophan about a year ago and that seemed to be a better help over 5-HTP.

Since I’ve just identified that histamine is an issue and started a low histamine diet this past week I noticed less of a need for l-tryptophan as I did before. My body is calming down significantly. And my digestion is working a little better.

But I still have to address mold, SIBO, candida, parasites and possibly Lyme and underlying hidden viruses.

So I know these amino acids will play a key part in supporting me as I dive deeper into addressing them all.

It’s wonderful the amino acids have helped her so much and they will most likely continue to help. A quick comment on her preference for tryptophan over 5-HTP – some folks do better on one vs the other.

Regarding the histamine issues/root cause, it’s good that she is now addressing this. Already she needs less tryptophan (for now). Things may fluctuate in the future again as she peels away the onion layers of root causes. She may find she needs tryptophan again or a higher dose or needs to get back on the GABA.

As you can see she has been working on her health for some time. This is not unusual. Slow and steady is just fine, especially when there is so much going on.

The amino acids are intended for short-term use while diet and underlying root causes are addressed. But when the list is long this is a common reason for the ongoing need for serotonin support. Keep in mind, your list may be a short one and may be quick to resolve. And not everyone has the same root causes.

Resources if you are new to using tryptophan or 5-HTP as supplements

If you are new to using tryptophan or 5-HTP as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the low serotonin symptoms).

If you suspect low levels of serotonin or any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), if you need serotonin support, the Serotonin QuickStart Program is a good place to start. This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance on using tryptophan and 5-HTP safely, and community support during 5 LIVE Q&A calls. You can sign up to be notified when the next live launch of this program is happening. We take a deep dive into product options including Lidtke products and others if you’re not able to access Lidtke.

Low GABA can cause physical tension and overwhelm, affect sleep and cause stress eating. If you also have low GABA symptoms, the next step to get help is the GABA QuickStart Program. This is also a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support. Another option is the budget-friendly GABA QuickStart Homestudy Program.

Have you figured out your root cause/s that are contributing to your low serotonin levels? And does this give you a better understanding of your own issues?

Wrapping up

Now I’d love to hear from you ….

Do you have any other root causes I may have missed? (when I posted this list on Facebook, a few people pointed out I had missed a few. I’ll update the list and continue to add as we discover new connections).

Has tryptophan and/or 5-HTP helped you feel less overwhelmed and worried while you’re figuring it all out?

Have you adjusted doses of tryptophan and/or 5-HTP as things change and root causes are addressed/resolved?

If you’re a practitioner, do you have anything to add and do your clients/patients find this useful?

If you have questions please share them here too.