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What if rewarding, comforting, numbing or distracting behaviors (caused by low endorphins) are causing low motivation, instead of low dopamine?

June 17, 2022 By Trudy Scott 21 Comments

behaviors and low motivation

One of the first things that comes to mind when someone is stuck and not able to get things done is low motivation caused by low catecholamines/low dopamine. But what if numbing, rewarding, comforting and/or distracting behaviors (caused by low endorphins) are holding you back and preventing you from getting things done instead? It may be low endorphins only or may be in conjunction with other neurotransmitter imbalances. The following question and stories from women in the community (and my insights and some of the research) may help you figure it out if any of this applies to you.

I posted a question to this effect on Facebook and there was a great deal of interest. Many folks shared examples of what their distractions are and how they fit into being rewarding and comforting for them. Here is what I posted:

I’m digging into the research connecting low endorphins and low motivation i.e. not being able to get stuff done! We associate low endorphins with physical pain, emotional pain and comfort/reward eating. But in a similar way that emotional eating /comfort food is used to numb us out and reward and comfort us, certain behaviors can do this too. Here are some examples you may relate to:

  • mindless scrolling through Facebook or other social media platforms instead of working on your new project
  • binge watching hours of Netflix shows instead of getting to bed early so you’re productive and motivated (and not distracted)
  • playing video games for days (and not going outdoors, eating proper meals and even bathing)

All of these are also an addiction and we know low endorphins are a factor when it comes to addictions too. There is also an endorphin/dopamine connection hence the motivation aspect I’m looking into.

Can you relate to any of this and has endorphin support (with the amino acid DPA/d-phenylalanine as a supplement) or exercise or LDN (low dose naltrexone) helped with your low endorphin symptoms, your lack of motivation and the distractions you almost create for yourself?

I’d expect the amino acid DLPA (dl-phenylalanine) to help since it works on boosting both low endorphins and low dopamine. I am really curious about DPA because some folks can’t tolerate DLPA or it’s contraindicated.

What are some examples of your distractions and what has helped you?

Sarah: finds looking for split ends and cutting them off very rewarding. Is this a low endorphin behavior?

Omgosh this is so me. I often wonder what the heck is wrong with me. I look around at everything that needs to be done but just get overwhelmed and have no motivation to get it done. I don’t know where to start and then get anxious about it. I will immerse myself looking for split ends in my hair instead, I can spend easily over an hour at a time just sitting there looking for split ends and cutting them off. I find it very rewarding and it’s become such a habit now that if I’m out publicly and see a pesky split end l can’t ignore it and as Í don’t typically carry scissors with me (because that would be weird right?!) so I bite them off. I often think I must look like a nutter! I am always thinking what is wrong with me???!!

Sarah describes a rewarding activity perfectly and I’d suspect endorphin support – using the amino acid DPA (d-phenylalanine) – will likely help her. This behavior is her distraction from getting things done. It’s such a distraction that she cannot ignore it even when in public.

Since she also mentions overwhelm and anxiety I’d also want to explore low GABA physical-type anxiety and low serotonin worry-type anxiety and consider trials of both GABA and tryptophan (or 5-HTP).

There may also be an obsessive element to her distracting behavior and serotonin support (with the above, inositol and possibly NAC) has been shown to help with trichotillomania (recurring habit of pulling one’s hair).

Bonnie: low motivation almost feels physical or like something is missing in my brain. Low endorphins and low dopamine?

I relate to this very much – low motivation almost feels physical or like something is missing in my brain, also an almost inability to focus or organize how to do something or get through the day. I have low motivation with poor focus … but I am also constantly craving reward, comfort, or some kind of boost in energy or pleasure to motivate or energize me – this used to be things like sweets or chocolate but I have been lowering sugar/attempting to quit.

I haven’t tried any supplements mentioned but I’m very interested to learn more as this significantly affects my life.

She says her low motivation feels physical or like something is missing. It’s great she has that awareness and she is spot on – she is missing the specific action of certain neurotransmitters (which can be resolved with amino acid supplementation).

We address neurotransmitter imbalances, one at a time:

  • DPA for low endorphin support to help with the comfort/distraction/reward
  • And tyrosine for dopamine support to help with the inability to focus and needing something to energize her
  • Her inability to focus or organize could be due to the spinning we see with the low GABA type of physical anxiety too

She also shares that she has “feelings of anxiety, hopelessness and self judgment” so low serotonin worry-type anxiety is also likely in the mix.

As always it’s best to trial one at a time and find the ideal dose before trialing the next one. I recommend trialing in the area that causes the most distress. What is great is that addressing all this will make quitting sweets and chocolate easy and with no feelings of deprivation.

Jennifer: video games are hard to break free of / switches to learning languages. Could it be low GABA and an inability to prioritize?

All of the above but video games are especially hard to break free from. Luckily I decided to use those dopamine hits to my advantage and am closing in on a 1000 day Duolingo streak, having made it to the end of the French, Norwegian, and Japanese courses.  Yes I neglect other things, but it’s better than wasting time on video games. I do worry a bit that I would lose interest if my chemistry was fully balanced, but then again there are more important things that I could be doing.

I congratulated her on her language learning and shared that it’s common to switch one addiction for another. For example alcoholics quit drinking and then get addicted to sugar or caffeine unless they address their neurotransmitter imbalances.

Jennifer has been using GABA without much success yet and once she finds the ideal dose it may be the solution or part of the solution for her spinning and inability to prioritize (which she “chalked up to ADHD, but also only became a problem when I got sick.”

Initially I would focus on GABA support (for physical anxiety) more than endorphin support, because she shares she also has all these other low GABA symptoms:

  • acrophobia (which started when she got sick)
  • proctalgia fugax/rectal spasms (recently developed
  • and burning mouth (which was a big part of her mold symptoms)

Keep in mind mold can deplete GABA and other brain chemicals so this does need to be addressed (home/office remediation and healing from the mycotoxin effects), in addition to using amino acid support.

She does check all the boxes on the symptoms questionnaire and it’ll be interesting to see which other amino acids help her with this gaming/language learning challenge. There may well be a low endorphin distraction and reward aspect too.

As always it’s best to trial one amino acid at a time and find the ideal dose before moving on to the next one.

Some of the research

I actually went looking for the research to support what I was seeing in terms of these struggles folks are experiencing i.e. another type of low motivation that is driven by low endorphins and has a numbing, rewarding and addiction aspect.

As mentioned above there is an endorphin/dopamine connection. This paper, Opioids for hedonic experience and dopamine to get ready for it, summarizes it well:

Brain dopamine has been suggested to rather code for the preparatory aspects of behavior, while brain opioids [endorphins] seem to mediate the perception of the hedonic [or pleasant] properties of rewards.

There is an addiction/cravings aspect with each of the neurotransmitter imbalances, including low endorphins.  As mentioned above, these distracting behaviors can also be addicting. And we know low endorphins are a factor when it comes to addictions to drugs, carbs/sweets and behaviors.

DPA destroys the enzyme that breaks down/inhibits endorphins and in essence raises endorphin levels, This paper discusses beta-endorphins and the reward mechanism and how they can induce euphoria, reduce pain and ease addictions and distress: “Long known for its analgesic effect, the opioid beta-endorphin is now shown to induce euphoria, and to have rewarding and reinforcing properties.” You can read more about DPA here.

With regards to DLPA (which supports low endorphins and low dopamine), a really interesting study identified low endorphins and low catecholamines as a probable cause of PMS (premenstrual syndrome) or PMDD (premenstrual dysphoric disorder) in some women. I blogged about this study and the use of DLPA here.

When it comes to exercise, this study, Opioid Release after High-Intensity Interval Training in Healthy Human Subjects, highlights the effects of different exercise intensities on opioid release, with moderate-intensity exercise being more beneficial for endorphin support. You can read about the impacts of exercise on pain, reward, and emotional processing and “the most commonly adopted theory on physical exercise induced euphoria …the ‘endorphin hypothesis’.”

LDN (low dose naltrexone) is often used in autoimmune conditions and to help with inflammation. This article, The Uses of Low-Dose Naltrexone in Clinical Practice, provides a good overview, and states that “unlike higher doses of naltrexone, LDN acts on β-endorphin receptors to stimulate the release of endorphins in the body.”  I’m not advocating the use of LDN instead of DPA or DLPA, but if you’ve been prescribed LDN you may have observed the endorphin boosting effects.

Brain chemical imbalances to consider when you experience low motivation and can’t get things done

Here is a short summary of brain chemical/neurotransmitter imbalances to consider when you have low motivation and can’t get things done:

  • Low endorphins – the less recognized low endorphin/comfort/distraction type as discussed in this blog
  • Low dopamine/low catecholamines – this is what we think of as the classic low motivation trigger where there is also poor focus, low energy and sometimes curl-up-in bed kind of depression
  • Low serotonin is another less recognized kind of low motivation I’ve blogged about: What if overthinking, fear, anxiety and worry (caused by low serotonin) is holding you back instead of low motivation/low dopamine?
  • Low GABA is also not recognized as a trigger of low motivation but since anxiety can cause inability to prioritize and spinning, this could be a factor too
  • Low blood sugar could also be a factor since it affects focus and energy

Resources if you are new to using the amino acids as supplements

If you are new to using any of the amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the symptoms of neurotransmitter imbalances).

If you suspect low levels of any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the practitioner/health team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.

The book doesn’t include product names (per the publisher’s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements, lists the amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA Quickstart Program (if you have low GABA symptoms). This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support. There are many moms in the program who are having much success with their kids.

If you are a practitioner, join us in The Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals program. This is also a paid online/virtual program with an opportunity to interact with me and other practitioners who are also using the amino acids.

With much appreciation for these women for sharing their stories and allowing me to provide my insights for them and you. We all have much to learn from each other.

Can you relate to any of this and has endorphin support with the amino acid DPA (d-phenylalanine) used as a supplement) helped?

What about exercise or LDN (low dose naltrexone) or DLPA (dl-phenylalanine)?

What are some examples of your distractions or rewarding/comforting/numbing behaviors?

And do you have a mix of neurotransmitter imbalances to address? Which is the most troubling area for you?

If you have questions please share them here too.

Filed Under: Anxiety, Endorphins, GABA, serotonin Tagged With: addiction, binge watching Netflix, catecholamines, comforting, d-phenylalanine, distracting behaviors, dl-phenylalanine, DLPA, DPA, exercise, LDN, low dopamine, low dose naltrexone, low endorphins, low motivation, mindless scrolling, neurotransmitter imbalances, numbing, playing video games, rewarding

Phthalates (found in soft plastics and fragrances) are the new BPA and cause anxiety. Is this why the amino acid GABA is so often needed long-term?

June 10, 2022 By Trudy Scott 11 Comments

phthalates and gaba

Using the amino acid GABA (as a supplement) for anxiety (the physical tension type of anxiety) should ideally be short-term to address your low levels of GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid). Why then do many folks only find relief when using GABA long-term? What is depleting their GABA levels on an ongoing basis? One reason is that anxiety is caused with ongoing exposure to phthalates (found in soft plastics and fragrances). Ongoing exposure can continue to deplete GABA levels so supplementation is needed long-term. This blog reviews sources of phthalates and the supporting (and growing) research. And also the fact that we’re being told that phthalates are safe.

The awareness and concern about BPA (bisphenol A), an industrial chemical found in hard plastics (and a contributing factor when it comes to anxiety), is being surpassed by an awareness and concern about phthalates (pronounced “thalates”).

I believe “Phthalates are the new BPA!” and “Fragrance is the new smoking!” and I suspect we’ll be seeing more and more research on the adverse health impacts (including anxiety and other conditions – more on that below) and hopefully more and more awareness too.

Here is a brief summary:

  • They act as binding agents and make plastics flexible….and are found in plastics in the kitchen, vinyl toys (it makes them soft), shower curtains, paint and nail polish.
  • They are also found in anything with a fragrance – like air-fresheners and most commercial house-cleaning products, and cosmetics such as shampoos, moisturizers, sun cream and of course perfumes, deodorants and after-shave products. I cringe every time I see the beautiful perfume ads on TV and when I walk past someone with loads of after-shave wafting behind them

My assumption is that you’ve heard of phthalates and know they are harmful. They are well-recognized as being an endocrine disruptor but less is known about the effects on GABA levels and increasing anxiety (more on that below).

If you are new to phthalates, the organization called Safer Chemicals Healthy Family, has an excellent overview. They share that

Food is the leading source of exposure. Phthalates have been found in dairy products, meats, fish, oils & fats, baked goods, infant formula, processed foods, and fast foods. Phthalates are not intentionally added ingredients but rather “indirect” food additives. They easily escape from food processing equipment, food packaging, and food preparation materials, and contaminate food at points all along the supply chain.

They list the many health impacts (with links to studies): Endocrine disruption (i.e. affecting your hormones); abnormalities in the male reproductive system; reduced testosterone levels and altered thyroid hormone production; neurodevelopmental effects in infants or children (ADHD-like behaviors, aggression, depression, a lower IQ, and autism); liver and kidney toxicity; cancer; and asthma.

This article also addresses the fact that we’re being told that phthalates are safe when they are not.

Phthalates are associated with emotional symptoms (depression, anxiety and stress) in male and female students

In addition to the above health impacts, phthalates play a role in causing anxiety too. This 2020 paper, Association of Urinary Phthalates Metabolites Concentration With Emotional Symptoms in Chinese University Students, reports the results of a school-based cross-sectional survey that was carried out among 990 university students aged 17-24 years:

  • the concentration of six phthalate metabolites in urine was measured (with a detection rate of 79.6% to 99.7%)
  • The positive rates of depressive symptoms, anxiety symptoms, and stress were 17.4%, 24.8%, and 9.5%, respectively
  • One type of phthalates affected the males more severely and another type affected the females more

The authors concluded that:

Our study demonstrates that Chinese university students are widely exposed to phthalates; and high- and low-molecular weight phthalates are associated with emotional symptoms in males and females, respectively.

It’s seldom one cause that is contributing to anxiety and emotional symptoms, as illustrated by this study: Association Between Screen Time, Fast Foods, Sugar-Sweetened Beverages and Depressive Symptoms in Chinese Adolescents. We need to address all factors. And here it’s a combination of screen time, as well as junk food and sugar, and the plastic containers and soda bottles that are a source of phthalates.

As you can see, fast foods are a huge source – Phthalate and novel plasticizer concentrations in food items from U.S. fast food chains: a preliminary analysis. This paper was published in May 2022 and already we’re seeing “certain ortho-phthalates (i.e., di-n-butyl phthalate (DnBP) and di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP)) have been phased out and replaced with other plasticizers (e.g., dioctyl terephthalate (DEHT))”. This mirrors what we saw with BPA being replaced with BPS and BPF, which are concerning.

The anxiety-inducing effects caused by phthalates could be alleviated by GABA

What is very encouraging is the fact that the amino acid GABA can alleviate the anxiety caused by phthalates. In this 2018 animal study, Intervention Effect of Gamma Aminobutyric Acid on Anxiety Behavior Induced by Phthalate (2-ethylhexyl Ester) in Rats. This is the conclusion:

  • DEHP [phthalate] exposure induced anxiety in rats, which may be achieved through elevating nitric oxide and nitric oxide synthase levels in the prefrontal cortex of rats.
  • The [anxiety-inducing] effects caused by DEHP could be alleviated by GABA.

This study was looking at Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), and the authors shared that “it is one of the most widely used phthalate esters.” As you can see from the 2022 paper I shared above, it’s now being replaced with other plasticizers.

This 2019 paper, Effect of di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate on the neuroendocrine regulation of reproduction in adult male rats and its relationship to anxiogenic behavior: Participation of GABAergic system didn’t use the amino acid GABA but do report a “decrease in hypothalamic gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) concentration” and the authors “suggest that GABA could participate in the modulation of reproductive and behavioral DEHP effects.”

Long-term use of GABA because of phthalates: using GABA should ideally be short-term

We clearly need human studies to confirm all this but until then we can use what we know about GABA and supplement with the amino acid GABA (as a supplement) when there are low GABA symptoms of physical anxiety, tension, stiff and tense muscles, intrusive thoughts, insomnia, and self-medicating with alcohol or sugar.

As mentioned above, using GABA should ideally be short-term – 3 to 12 months – to address your low levels of GABA. I propose that many folks only find relief when using GABA long-term and it’s partly due to phthalates (and other chemicals) depleting their GABA levels on an ongoing basis.

I’m in favor of long-term use of GABA supplementation as long as GABA levels continue to be low and GABA supplementation offers relief.

But you also need to be addressing your exposure to these chemicals and doing ongoing detoxification. And also addressing diet, gut-health, infections, low zinc, low vitamin B6, low serotonin etc. (on an as-needed basis).

Addressing exposure and ongoing detoxification

As far as addressing our exposure to these chemicals, reduction and ideally avoidance is ideal. The Safer Chemicals Healthy Family overview includes plenty of practical steps.

As far as ongoing detoxification and nutritional support I encourage regular infrared sauna (my personal favorite is the portable Therasage sauna), rebounding, dry skin brushing, optimizing lymph drainage and exercise.

The research on NAC alone and a combination of zinc and NAC is encouraging even if it’s not specific to anxiety. Also, research shows that rosmarinic acid, a natural polyphenol “confers protection against DEHP-induced thyroid inflammation.”

You can read about other more general detox approaches on this pesticide spill blog: rooibos tea, castor oil packs, vitamin D (it’s often lower in those exposed to phthalates), epsom salts baths, apple cider vinegar and broccoli sprouts (as a source of sulforaphane).

Resources if you are new to using GABA as a supplement

If you are new to using GABA as a supplement, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the low GABA symptoms).

If you suspect low levels of GABA or any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.

The book doesn’t include product names (per the publisher’s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements, lists the amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA Quickstart Program. This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support. There are many moms in the program who are having much success with their kids.

If you are a practitioner, join us in The Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals program. This is also a paid online/virtual program with an opportunity to interact with me and other practitioners who are also using the amino acids.

Have you been using GABA for longer than 3-12 months? (please share how long and how it’s helping)

Do you think phthalates could be a factor in keeping your GABA levels low?

What have you done to reduce or eliminate phthalates from your life? (please share which sources and how)

If you have questions please share them here too.

Filed Under: Anxiety, Detoxification, GABA, Toxins Tagged With: anxiety, Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals. NAC, BPA, depression, detoxification, emotional symptoms, endocrine disruptor, fast foods, fragrances, GABA, GABA Quickstart program, long-term, phthalates, physical-tension, rosmarinic acid, sauna, short-term, soda, soft plastics, sulforaphane, vitamin D, zinc

Increased kidney stones in postmenopausal women with lower estradiol levels. What about increased dietary oxalate issues too?

June 3, 2022 By Trudy Scott 20 Comments

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Epidemiological data reveal that the overall risk for kidney stones disease is lower for women compared to age-matched men. However, the beneficial effect for the female sex is lost upon menopause, a time corresponding to the onset of fall in estrogen levels.

The above is from a 2013 paper, Serum estradiol and testosterone levels in kidney stones disease with and without calcium oxalate components in naturally postmenopausal women.

The aim of this study was to look at serum estradiol and testosterone levels of naturally postmenopausal women who had kidney stones.

It was a small study with 113 naturally postmenopausal women with newly diagnosed kidney stones (some with calcium oxalate stones and some with non-calcium oxalate stones) and 84 controls, all around 52 to 62 years of age.

The results were as follows:

  • Serum estradiol (E2) was significantly lower in kidney stones patients compared to controls (21.1 vs. 31.1 pg/ml)
  • Serum testosterone (T) levels did not significantly differ among the groups.

The authors came to the conclusion that “Naturally postmenopausal women with higher remaining estradiol levels appear less likely to suffer from kidney calcium oxalate stones.

These findings support the hypothesis that higher postmenopausal endogenous [produced by the body] estrogens may protect against kidney stones with ageing.”

This is very encouraging research because it means we can do something about it (more on that below).

My question is this: What about increased dietary oxalate issues in this age group? And can there be similar issues in perimenopausal women too? This study only looked at kidney stones but I propose that there is a connection and that declining estradiol is the common factor. I also propose that providing estrogen support may help to counter both issues – kidney stones and/or dietary oxalate issues with no kidney stones, especially with the clinical observations and feedback I have had (more on that below).

Now this may not be the case for all women and is clearly not the only factor when it comes to kidney stones and dietary oxalate issues. But I do feel it needs to be part of the discussion. In menopause, osteoporosis and heart disease are on our radar but kidney stones and dietary oxalate issues are not.

Dr. Felice Gersch talks about estrogen and calcium in bone health and osteoporosis

I really thought I was onto something after hearing Dr. Felice Gersh, MD (a integrative gynecologist who focuses on women’s health and menopause) talk about estrogen and calcium in bone health/osteoporosis on The Osteoporosis Summit earlier this year. This is some of what she shared:

Estrogen affects everything! So estrogen is involved in the development of bone, but it’s even more complex. For example, estrogen allows the proper absorption of calcium, so that you get proper absorption of calcium from food in the gastrointestinal tract. That involves having proper estrogen levels. And having proper estrogen levels allows the reabsorption of calcium in the kidneys so that you don’t excrete a lot of calcium that you shouldn’t be excreting.

As soon as I heard calcium and the kidneys, the light bulbs went off and I started looking for some research. I didn’t expect there to be much because a higher incidence of kidney stones in menopause and the estrogen connection is not something I’ve heard discussed by menopause experts. However, the above study was one of many. Here are a few more studies that support this connection:

  • Estrogen replacement increased the citrate and calcium excretion rates in postmenopausal women with recurrent urolithiasis (urolithiasis is kidney stone disease)
  • Etiological role of estrogen status in renal stone formation

Interestingly this 2021 paper, Association between sex hormones and kidney stones: analysis of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, reports that there is “no independent association between sex hormones (testosterone and estradiol) and history of kidney stones in either males or females.”  This conclusion may be related to the fact that there are fewer studies that include women. I look forward to future research in this area and until then we use the other research and what we see clinically.

How common are dietary oxalate issues in my community of perimenopausal and menopausal women?

I posted the 2013 study and this question on Facebook to see how common an issue it is:

If you have dietary oxalate issues (with or without kidney stones) I’m curious if there is a hormonal connection and specifically if things got worse for you in perimenopause, and got really bad in menopause (as estrogen declines even further). This has certainly been the case for me.

Here is some of the feedback I’ve received on this post and related posts:

Cynthia shared this: “Really interesting! I definitely had oxalate issues (perimenopause) provoked by ruptured appendix/SBO/abscesses and fistula formation (13 day hospitalization)….I had to remove all oxalates and go full carnivore for 9 months….I’m still oxalate sensitive and had not been before…. I will definitely be sharing this with my communities….there are SO many middle aged women with oxalate issues”

Kirsten shared this: “Interesting to know. At the age of 49 (I am now 51), for the first time in my life I developed kidney stones – probably the most painful experience of my life. I eliminated vitamin C supplements and some oxalates (I had a daily dose of “green juice” that I was consuming as well that I no longer take) however I never understood the relationship between estrogen and their development. I am not post menopausal as of yet -but definitely experiencing symptoms common in peri-menopause… Perimenopausal symptoms include – anxiety (the worrying type) which is at its worst around the time I menstruate (taking 5-HTP which helps but doesn’t completely resolve), night sweats, hypoglycemia, HPA dysfunction (which could be a result of perimeno as well as its own issue – or both). If I don’t keep my stress levels in check, everything becomes exacerbated – meditation helps too.”

Leah shared this: I developed oxalate issues after menopause (I’m in my 60s) and didn’t realize what is was until I read your post about it during the early days of the pandemic when people were overdosing on vitamin C (at least you were trying to figure out if there was a connection at the time). With more research, I discovered a product called Kidney Cop that I still take (though I never get stones, only skin issues on my face). I also switched to liposomal vitamin C and amla and cut back on the offensive [high oxalate] foods for me. I do also experience a similar effect when I use collagen powder with peptides (skin issues). When I switched to a powder that didn’t contain peptides but has collagen types 1-5 in it, I had no issues. I don’t know if this is oxalate-related or not, but the skin issue is the same (clear fluid-filled bumps around my mouth and chin only).”

A number of women in the Facebook group Trying Low Oxlaates have shared comments like this: “I was never bothered by oxalate issues before menopause” and “I can tell you that my oxalate problems became far worse – along with everything else, pyroluria, copper toxicity etc – in perimenopause.”

Personally, my severe dietary oxalate issues started in 2012, when I was 52, and it manifested as excruciating foot pain. It was a combination of hot-burning-coals-pain and shards-of-glass-pain. Later it affected my left eye and more recently it impacted my sleep in a big way. I eat low oxalate and use vitamin B6 and calcium citrate (carefully timed) to keep symptoms away. My next plan is to see if addressing my low estrogen will help even more (more on that below).

Approaches to support declining estrogen levels in perimenopause and menopause

Briefly, here is a summary for supporting declining estrogen levels in perimenopause and menopause:

  • Diet and lifestyle including exercise and stress-reduction
  • Amino acid support as needed (GABA supports progesterone and tryptophan supports estrogen) and the pyroluria protocol of zinc, vitamin B6 and evening primrose oil (more on this here)
  • Adrenal support
  • Essential oils such as geranium and rose otto and clary sage and other oils to help with anxiety and stress
  • Liver and kidney support
  • Avoiding environmental toxins, especially xenoestrogens (plastics, fragrances, pesticides etc) which bind to estrogen receptor sites
  • Maca – the research on Femmenessence Maca-Pause for bone and cardio health is very encouraging and I suspect there may be benefits for dietary oxalate issues and kidney stones too (when there is a low estrogen trigger). I will be trying this approach and I’ll report back on what I find.
  • Other herbal approaches for hormonal support: Black cohosh, red clover, dong quai (which, interestingly, are reno-protective too)
  • Bioidentical hormone replacement therapy

This section deserves an entire blog post and is important to address over and above the mood issues, increased anxiety, compromised sleep, low libido, vaginal issues and hot flashes – because of the impacts for heart health, cognitive decline and bone health.

Kidney stones and dietary oxalate issues in men

This 2016 paper addresses kidney stones in males and makes the testosterone connection for men under 60 years of age: Possible role of elevated serum testosterone in pathogenesis of renal stone formation

Urolithiasis [kidney stones] occurs with greater frequency in males with incidences three times higher compared to females indicating some role played by androgens. Stone formation in renal tissues before puberty is similar between males and females, whereas greater frequency is seen in the third to the fourth decade of life when the levels of serum testosterone are also the highest in males.

With advancing age, the probability for stone formation also decreases as consistent with the decline in serum testosterone levels with more than 20% of healthy men over 60 years of age presenting with serum levels of hormone below the range for young men.

This paper does also support the menopausal estrogen connection I’ve mentioned above: “With females, the frequency for stone formation is considered more compared with premenopausal postulated mainly due to low estrogen levels.”

There is so mention of dietary oxalate issues but we do see this clinically.

My other resources on oxalates if this is new to you

This blog, Oxalate crystal disease, dietary oxalates and pain: the research & questions, came out of my quest for finding a medical explanation/term for my own pain caused by dietary oxalates and a desire to gain a better understanding for my clients who experience similar pain.

You can read an overview of oxalates, my pain issues with dietary oxalates, a deeper dive into the condition called oxalate crystal disease (with some of my insights and questions), and the autism and atherosclerosis research.

As I mentioned above, my severe dietary oxalate issues started in 2012 (when I was 52) and it manifested as excruciating foot pain. It was a combination of hot-burning-coals-pain and shards-of-glass-pain. Later it affected my left eye.

You can also read how oxalates can contribute to anxiety, sleep issues (this has been a more recent issue for me), headaches, fatigue and other symptoms.

When I did the research for this older blog I didn’t come across any studies related to menopause and estrogen levels.

I published this blog, Coronavirus and vitamin C for immune support: new pain or more severe pain due to oxalate issues?, to help folks identify the increase in different types of pain they were seeing as a result of using high dose vitamin C. This could be joint pain, eye pain, foot pain, vulvodynia, bladder issues, insomnia, gut pain, kidney pain, changes in thyroid health/labs, bone pain etc.

This blog, Vitamin C causes oxalate formation resulting in pain, anxiety, and insomnia (when there is a defect in ascorbic acid or oxalate metabolism)? is part 2 and reviews some of the research on vitamin C/ascorbic acid being a possible trigger for the formation of oxalates in certain instances.

I do mention the big disconnect that we see in this research is always the mention of kidney stones. The missing piece – in the research and in many articles – is that you can have issues with dietary oxalates when there is no kidney disease/no kidney stones. I propose similar logic for dietary oxalate issues in perimenopause and menopause with declining estrogen levels i.e. dietary oxalate issues with or without kidney stones.

If you’re in perimenopause or menopause have approaches for supporting estrogen (estradiol) made your dietary oxalate issues and/or kidney stones less severe? Please share what has helped and if you have both – dietary oxalate issues and kidney stones/kidney disease.

If you’re a younger woman and have dietary oxalate issues and kidney stones/kidney disease, have you noticed any hormonal connections?

If this doesn’t affect you personally, have you seen the benefits of supporting estrogen with your perimenopausal/menopausal female clients/patients who have dietary oxalate issues and kidney stones/kidney disease?

If you’re male and have had dietary oxalate issues and/or kidney stones have you found they get less severe as you get older and testosterone declines?

If you have questions please share them here too.

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