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I have osteoporosis – within a week of starting collagen I experienced profound insomnia, was much more anxious and had tons of worrying thoughts

August 18, 2023 By Trudy Scott 10 Comments

Nancy shares her unpleasant experience when using collagen for her osteoporosis and asks how she can use tryptophan and possibly add the collagen back:

I have osteoporosis and recently started taking a collagen peptide product (Fortibone). At the same time, I started taking a bone support formula containing calcium, magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K2, boron, etc.

Within a week I began experiencing such PROFOUND insomnia. I felt like I was wide awake and could not drift off till 4 am each morning. Also, when I laid down at night, I was much more anxious than I normally am and had tons of worrying thoughts flitting thru my mind.

Within a couple weeks of the insomnia starting, I thankfully caught your talk about collagen and folks who are susceptible to it, at the 2023 Osteoporosis Summit. The puzzle pieces clicked together; I’m a MAO-A. I immediately stopped the collagen and the bone support supplement.

I understand supplementing with tryptophan may be the fix for being able to reintroduce the collagen.

I appreciate her for sharing her experience on one of my collagen blogs and thanked her, saying how glad I was that she heard my interview about this.

Collagen and gelatin lower serotonin in susceptible individuals

Intake of collagen (and gelatin) can lower serotonin in susceptible individuals and cause these symptoms she experienced. I first blogged about this in 2017 but it’s still not common knowledge even amongst practitioners and companies selling collagen products.

The good news is that awareness is growing. Dr. R. Keith McCormick does mention the serotonin-collagen connection in his excellent book Great Bones – Taking Control of Your Osteoporosis (my Amazon link). He does not, however, offer tryptophan as a solution.

If this is new to you, this blog post describes why it happens (i.e. collagen does not contain any tryptophan), lists many of the tryptophan depletion studies and who may be more susceptible to this effect – Collagen and gelatin lower serotonin: does this increase your anxiety and depression?

Here is a more recent blog on the topic too: Collagen causes increased anxiety, low mood, irritability, insomnia, gut issues and an itchy skin: some questions and my answers

The causes of these symptoms can be due to the serotonin-lowering effects of collagen but also the dietary oxalate impact, a histamine reaction and/or a glutamate reaction to collagen.

Could supplementing with tryptophan be the fix for being able to reintroduce the collagen?

Nancy said “I understand supplementing with tryptophan may be the fix for being able to reintroduce the collagen.” Hearing her symptoms – profound insomnia, increased anxiety and worrying thoughts flitting through her mind – led me to the same conclusion, especially since they all started soon after starting collagen.

We know she has the MAOA (monoamine oxidase A) genetic polymorphism – this does make her more susceptible to the serotonin-lowering effects of collagen. Other factors that may make her more susceptible (explained in the 2017 blog above) are current or prior depression and/or OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) or family history of these conditions and being a smoker. In addition to a MAOA defect is having a 5-HTTLPR genetic polymorphism.

To confirm the likely low serotonin connection, it would have been helpful to know if she also experienced other low serotonin symptoms: panic attacks and phobias, lack of confidence, depression, negativity, imposter syndrome, PMS, irritability, anger issues and afternoon/evening cravings.

It would also be helpful to know if her symptoms resolved when she stopped using the collagen.

But the best way to confirm is to do a trial of tryptophan and observe if these symptoms resolve when using collagen.

How to use tryptophan in a situation like this?

She asked these specific questions about using tryptophan:

I bought the Lidtke brand which is a 500 mg. capsule. How do I dose this? I realize you said to trial dose it but:

1) what time of day is best to take it?

2) is it taken on an empty stomach or can it be taken with food?

3) should I start taking the tryptophan BEFORE restarting the collagen and be watching for the night time anxiety/insomnia symptoms to reappear?

4) if the insomnia, anxiety do reappear, how much do I titrate up and is there a max dose of tryptophan? If I’m taking more than one capsule a day, should they be taken at one time or divided throughout the day?

Tryptophan is always taken midafternoon and evening on an empty stomach/away from protein and increased until there is symptom resolution.

For clients in a similar situation who have stopped the collagen but still have insomnia, anxiety and worry symptoms, I have them start on tryptophan before adding back collagen and adjust the tryptophan dose up if needed once collagen is reintroduced.

If symptoms resolved when the collagen was stopped, tryptophan would be trialed as soon as symptoms show up when collagen is reintroduced.

With tryptophan, 500 mg is a typical starting dose but less may work in a situation like this. I’ve had clients use up to 1500 mg tryptophan 2 x day. It’s really individualized with no one-size fits all.

I did mention my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution, as an excellent resource for Nancy. There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and how to use them. I recommend everyone read it before using any of the amino acids as supplements.

Resources if you are new to using amino acids as supplements

If you are new to using amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution (you can see all the symptoms of neurotransmitter imbalances, including low GABA, low serotonin, low dopamine, low blood sugar and low endorphins).

If you suspect low levels of any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, (as I mentioned above) I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the practitioner/health team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, gluten, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, anxiety and mood issues.

The book doesn’t include product names (per the publisher’s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements, lists the amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs. You can find them all in my online store.

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don’t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA QuickStart Program (if you have low GABA symptoms too). This is a paid online/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support.

If you are a practitioner, join us in The Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals program. This is also a paid online/virtual program with an opportunity to interact with me and other practitioners who are also using the amino acids.

Thanks to Nancy for sharing her experience with collagen and asking this question.

Have you used collagen for bone health/osteoporosis or for other reasons? And have you experienced insomnia, and increased anxiety and worrying?

Were your symptoms due to low serotonin and did tryptophan allow you to continue with collagen or add it back if you stopped it?

Or were your symptoms caused by oxalates in collagen, a histamine reaction and/or a glutamate reaction?

Has Fortibone led to improvements in your bone health? If yes, how long have you been using it and which collagen product (a number of products contain Fortibone)?

If you have questions and feedback please share them here too.

“Potion” of tyrosine, Endorphigen, GABA and tryptophan has been nothing less than a miracle for my depression and anxiety – how long can I remain on these?

August 11, 2023 By Trudy Scott 21 Comments

Amy shares how much her particular “potion” or combination of amino acids has helped her depression and anxiety and wants to know how long she can remain on them:

I currently take 500 mg of l-tyrosine in the morning, 1 Endorphigen 2xday, 1 GABA calm 2x day and 1000 mg of tryptophan before bed with some natural calm & true calm. This “potion” has been nothing less than a miracle. I feel pretty good.

The past few years have been rough, managing depression and anxiety with frequent relapse, and I finally feel ok.

I don’t want to wean off yet and am curious as to how long I can remain on these. Is it dangerous to keep on it too long? Is there a maximum time? I follow your blog and reached out to you last year. Your information has been extremely helpful. Thank you.

I’m glad to hear Amy is doing so well on this miracle combination and finally feels ok. Before stopping the amino acids, the goal is to address diet, gut health, nutritional imbalances, toxins and all the underlying factors that lead to low catecholamines, low endorphins, low GABA and low serotonin.

It’s fine to stop taking them and see how you do and add some or all of them back if you find you still need that neurotransmitter support. This is one of a few approaches I use with clients. But here are times when it’s best to wait and continue using them (like when on the pill and when affected by seasonal depression). I share my insights on this and other ways to cut back below.

How long can you remain on amino acids and when do you consider stopping them?

There is no set time frame for staying on the amino acids. As I mentioned above you can stop taking the individual amino acids and see how you do and then add some or all of them back if you find you still need that neurotransmitter support. This is one of a few approaches I use with clients.

Other approaches include: completely stopping one amino acid at a time and monitoring symptoms or reducing the amount one amino acid at a time, also monitoring symptoms. I prefer the latter especially with someone like Amy who has been “managing depression and anxiety with frequent relapse.”

I can also hear that she has some hesitation about stopping her “potion” and going with your gut is a good thing too. She also has a few confounding factors that make me feel staying on them longer may be in her best interest. One factor is her long-term use of birth control pills.

Long term use of birth control pills and the impact on mood and nutritional status

Amy also shares about her use of the birth control pill and how she suspects it’s a factor in her depression and anxiety:

I should also mention I just went off birth control pills. I have taken them since age 16 only stopping for 3 pregnancies and breastfeeding. I am 46. I’ve been on for painful periods. I made the decision to stop for fear of clots, cardiac issues and most importantly my mental well being. I truly believe they contributed to my depression. I believe I’m in perimenopause and have higher than normal anxiety. I’m extremely worried about my periods if I stop the pill and think my amino acid supplements help these worries and I cope better. That’s why I’m reluctant to stop the supplements but still worried about long term use.

Because Amy has been using the birth control pill for around 25 years I’d have her continue with the amino acids for now and address the effects on her gut health and nutritional status first.

Women taking the pill and other hormonal contraception are more likely to be depressed. A Danish study published in JAMA Psychiatry of more than 1 million women aged 15 to 34, with no prior history of depression, were included in the study and followed for 13 years. The researchers found that those women who used the pill were 23% more likely to be depressed and use antidepressants.

You can read more about the effects of the birth control pill on this blog and my book review of “Beyond the Pill” by Dr. Jolene Brighten. As you’ll read it causes vitamin, mineral, and antioxidant depletion (such as folate, B12, vitamin B6 and zinc).

She did actually come back and share that she tried and it didn’t work out going off the birth control pill. She was unable to manage the pain. She needs to address all these root causes first.

There is also no reason for her to be worried about long term use of the amino acids when they are clearly addressing her neurotransmitter imbalances.

The seasonal impact on mood and anxiety

I don’t have clients make changes to their amino acids in the Fall or Winter when there can be seasonal impacts on mood and anxiety. She had shared this too:

I’m more prone to depression this time of year. I think with these 2 factors [seasonal mood changes and the pill] I’ll stay on the regime until the spring.

This is a wise decision for Amy.

I would also hold off on making changes if someone is prone to airborne allergies. This is because there can be a higher need for neurotransmitter support when there are allergies.

Amy has already made many diet and lifestyle changes so she is heading in the right direction:

I have given my diet an overhaul. Not perfect but significantly less refined carbs and sugar. Plenty of fresh produce, healthy fats and protein ( especially animal). I also have committed to daily “body movement”: yoga, Pilates, max trainer, light weights or bike.

All of these changes are starting to support her overall nutritional status and resilience.

A recap of the amino acids Amy is using and the rationale for each one

If you’re new to using individual amino acids, here is a quick recap of the amino acids Amy is using and the rationale for each one.

She is using 500 mg of l-tyrosine in the morning. This supports low levels of dopamine/catchecolamines and improves the curl-up-in-bed kind of depression. You can read more about tyrosine here.

She is also using Endorphigen twice a day. This is a Lidtke product called Endorphigen and provides 500 mg DPA/d-phenylalanine per capsule. It raises endorphin levels, offering a mood boost, typically helping with weepiness and also emotional eating. You can read more about DPA here.

Amy is also using GABA Calm 2x day. This is a sublingual/chewable product made by Source Naturals and is a nice low dose of 125mg per chewable. You can read more about GABA here.

And finally, she is using 1000 mg of tryptophan before bed. This supports low serotonin and improves worry-kind of anxiety and depression, ruminating, obsessive tendencies and also sleep issues. You can read more about tryptophan here.

Keep in mind this is what Amy found works for her unique needs and would have done trials of the amino acids one by one to figure out which ones to use and how much of each to use. There is no one size fits all.

It’s not unusual for folks using the amino acids to describe their results as miraculous!

Resources if you are new to using amino acids as supplements

If you suspect low levels of any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the practitioner/health team you or your loved one is working with.

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, gluten, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, anxiety and mood issues.

Thanks to Amy for sharing her results and asking this question.

Have you seen similar benefits when using individual amino acids? If yes, which ones have helped you?

What approach have you used to stop or reduce your doses?

And have you continued using the amino acids because of the effects of the pill, seasonal mood shifts or seasonal allergies (or some other reason)?

If you have questions and feedback please share them here too.

Side stitch when running or exercising: the anxiety/stress connection (and the pyroluria protocol of zinc and vitamin B6 as a solution?)

August 4, 2023 By Trudy Scott 21 Comments

If you get a painful side stitch when running or doing other exercise or experienced a side stitch when you were a kid, you may be as intrigued as I was to learn there is new research that points to an anxiety/stress connection. This cross-sectional observational study was done involving an anonymous survey of one hundred sixty-eight male and female adults who were running at least 10 miles/16 km per week.

The conclusion of this study, Thorn in Your Side or Thorn in Your Head? Anxiety and Stress as Correlates of Exercise-Related Transient Abdominal Pain, is as follows: “anxiety and stress are associated with the presence of ETAP.” A runner’s side stitch is referred to as ETAP i.e. exercise-related transient abdominal pain. The authors mention the fact that this is the first study to reveal this anxiety/stress connection. This is relevant given the numerous recent studies looking for a cause and no definitive solutions.

This research is also really intriguing to me given what Dr. Carl Pfeiffer MD, PhD, identified 50+ years ago in the 1970s i.e. side stitches are common in those with pyroluria/social anxiety. What’s important is the fact that the pyroluria nutrient protocol eases social anxiety and prevents side stitches in my clients. You’ll read feedback from individuals in the community who resonate with this research and the pyroluria connections. I share more about pyroluria below in case it’s new to you and a possible cause of the side stitch pain.

My feedback and feedback from others in the community

I have pyroluria and always got a left side stitch as a kid, in my teens when running and playing squash and in my 20s/30s when running. And then they stopped (and the social anxiety and related symptoms resolved) when I addressed my pyroluria with zinc, B6 and EPO, and a copper-free multi that contains manganese. I see these kinds of results with my clients all the time so a light-bulb went off when I read this new research .

I shared this research and the anxiety/stress/pyroluria connection on Facebook and asked: did you/do you get side stitches when running/exercising? Here is some of the feedback I received, where the pyroluria protocol did help.

Kameka shared this: “I had side stitches as a kid and as an adult. Running was the main exercise that caused it and it was usually the left side. Now that you mention it, I haven’t had them since I started supplementing for pyroluria. Also, my social anxiety is sooo much better as well!”

She did the symptoms questionnaire and the pyroluria urine test (which can give false negative results) and confirmed she takes vitamin B6, zinc, magnesium, and primrose oil.

Bec shared this: “I hated PE at high school for that reason. While everyone was running, I was suffering from side stitches (I think it was my right side) and having breaks. I have pyroluria with lots of symptoms. I do well with zinc and P5P.”

Not everyone reported an improvement with the protocol but many folks resonated with the side stitch/pyroluria connections:

Megan said: “Couldn’t run as a kid. A stitch every time. I can’t recall which side, never really paid too much attention. Looking at the pyroluria symptoms, I think I may have always had it.”

Janie exclaimed: “Oh, boy, did I!” (while distance running). She finds it hard to remember but thinks it may have been on her right side. She also shared that “tests for zinc come back normal, but I have many of the [pyroluria] symptoms, especially the less common ones. I scored high. I always want breakfast but all the other questions fit me like a glove, like pieces of a puzzle with my photo on the box.

My lack of dream recall is another sign. I take 25 mg of methylated B6, but still no dreams. The question regarding being seated in the middle of a restaurant…THAT IS ME!! My throat will feel like it’s closing up, so much tension.”

I explained that most zinc testing is not accurate and that we increase until we get symptom resolution. I also referred her to the pyroluria chapter in my book.

Susie shared this: “Yes I always got side stitches so I gave up running. I suspected pyroluria but not sure if I have it.”

Leah said “I’d say my daughter and I both [had side stitches] more when we were younger. Both socially anxious and pyroluria. Less exercising now too.”

Information if you’re new to pyroluria

Pyroluria is frequently associated with a type of anxiety characterized by social anxiety, avoidance of crowds, a feeling of inner tension, and bouts of depression. People with this problem experience varying degrees of anxiety or fear, often starting in childhood, but they usually manage to cover it up and push through. They tend to build their life around one person, become more of a loner over time, have difficulty handling stress or change, and have heightened anxiety symptoms when under more stress.

Also on the list of symptoms is this one: “Upper abdominal pain on your left side under the ribs or, as a child, having a stitch in your side as you ran.”

Addressing low levels of the mineral zinc and vitamin B6, together with some other nutrients and stress management, are key to addressing these symptoms.

Here is the complete symptoms questionnaire on the blog. This questionnaire can also be found in the pyroluria chapter in my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution. You’ll find the detailed supplement protocol and additional information on how to assess for low zinc and low vitamin B6 in this chapter too.

You can read more about the prevalence and associated conditions here. It’s most often considered a genetic condition but is possibly environmentally triggered too.

There are many pyroluria blog posts where I cover various aspects such as the importance of addressing pyroluria for recovery from MCAS and Lyme, pyroluria and Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, pyroluria and intrusive thoughts and many more. I encourage you to use the search feature on the blog.

A possible cause of the side stitch in pyroluria

Here is an excerpt from a paper published in 1974 by Dr. Pfeiffer and colleagues, Treatment of Pyroluric Schizophrenia Malvaria With Large Doses of Pyridoxine and zinc, describing why the side pain probably occurs:

This 15-year-old upper middle-class patient (now 19 after studying for four years) represents a case of nutrient deficiency in which vitamins (specifically B6) and the trace minerals manganese and zinc were inadequate for the development of normal knee joints and normal brain function.

The deficiency was sufficiently severe at its peak to cause prolonged psychosis, atypical seizures, arthritis, amenorrhea, constipation, and splenic pain. The pain is probably due to hemolytic crisis in which red cell fragments engorge the Kupfer cells of the spleen and liver, extend the capsule, and cause pain. The double deficiency is produced by the formation of KP [kryptopyrroles] which combines with pyridoxal and zinc.

Based on the above and other publications by Dr. Pfeiffer, when the stitch happens on the left side, my understanding is that the pain is in the spleen. And when it happens on the right side, the pain is in the liver area. Most individuals with pyroluria say they felt/feel their side stitch on the left side. Either way it appears to be caused by low zinc, low vitamin B6 and the other nutrients needed by those with pyroluria. And resolved when on the pyroluria protocol.

I would love to see these ETAP researchers take their anxiety/stress research one step further and identify how common pyroluria is in runners who get side stitches and if the pyroluria protocol prevents the side stitches.

My book as a resource and pyroluria supplements

As mentioned above, there is an entire chapter on pyroluria in my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution – How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and addressing these deficiencies. And be sure to share it with the practitioner/health team you or your loved one is working with.

Keep in mind that these nutrients are cofactors for making neurotransmitters and are a key part of my protocol when working with individual amino acids.

The book doesn’t include product names (per the publisher’s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements, lists the pyroluria supplements and amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs. You can find them all in my online store.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion on Facebook. Now I would love to hear from you so I can approach the authors with their feedback and yours too.

Did you get a side stitch as a kid and did it affect your ability to take part in school sports?

Do you still get a side stitch when running or doing other exercises? If yes, does it hold you back and with which exercise?

Did/does the side stitch occur on the left or right side?

And do you have pyroluria? (based on the symptoms questionnaire and/or pyroluria urine test)?

Does the pyroluria protocol prevent your painful side stitches? And had you made the connection to pyroluria/anxiety/stress?

Are you seeing a similar pattern with your kid/s? (pyroluria, side stitch and the protocol helps them too)

If you have questions and feedback please share them here too.