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Francoise posted this feedback and her surprise about her elevated GABA levels – as reported on a urinary neurotransmitter test. She was justifiably confused because she had looked at the low GABA symptoms and resonated with them i.e. physical anxiety\/tension, stiff and tense muscles, stress eating, self-medicating with alcohol, insomnia and intrusive thoughts etc:<\/p>\n

I previously bought Gaba Calm after reading your blog since my symptoms seemed to match your description [of low GABA].<\/p>\n

However, I recently did an exhaustive neurotransmitter test to realize that it was the exact opposite, having a significantly high level of GABA.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, I\u2019ve looked all over the internet after talking to my doctor, and it seems that no one knows how to downregulate GABA.<\/p>\n

Not sure what to do from there, but thought I should let you know that the situation exists despite not being common.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I posted this feedback for her:\u00a0 I do not use urinary neurotransmitter testing as it\u2019s not accurate. I use the low GABA symptoms questionnaire and we do a trial of GABA if low GABA symptoms are present.<\/p>\n

She said it perfectly \u2013 \u201cI previously bought Gaba Calm after reading your blog since my symptoms seemed to match your description<\/em>\u201d i.e. it’s very likely she does in fact have low GABA symptoms and if we were working together I\u2019d have her do\u00a0 trial of GABA.<\/p>\n

I did ask her what her doctor and the lab recommended and to share the name of the lab\/test and have yet to hear back. I will share when I do.<\/p>\n

Someone else also had the neurotransmitter report high GABA so she stopped taking her GABA supplements<\/h2>\n

When I shared Francoise\u2019s comment and my feedback on Facebook, I had someone share a very similar outcome. Kristin had already figured out that she had low GABA levels (based on the symptoms questionnaire<\/a>), was already taking GABA with good results and was then told to stop taking GABA because the urinary neurotransmitter test reported elevated GABA levels!<\/p>\n

This is what Kristin shared on Facebook:\u00a0 \u201cI just did the neurotransmitter test. It said I was high in GABA as well, so I stopped taking it.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

These were the questions I asked her: Why were you taking GABA at the time – was it because you had\/have low GABA symptoms and was GABA helping to ease these symptoms? I also asked which lab did the test and what her practitioner recommended? She shared the following:<\/p>\n

I was\u00a0 taking GABA for anxiety. It was helping. .<\/p>\n

My doctor recommended that I stop the GABA and use supplements to support the areas I was low in, which were: Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Epinephrine, and Serotonin (was VERY low).<\/p>\n

Doctor\u2019s Data is the company. And it wasn\u2019t a cheap test.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I was surprised that even though GABA was helping Kristin, the doctor said to stop using it. What does also concern me too is that supporting dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine without supporting GABA can actually increase anxiety. I\u2019ve seen this backfire a number of times.<\/p>\n

After seeing my post and our Facebook back and forth she decided to start back on the GABA products she had been taking: GABA Calm 1-3 tablets a day and if\u00a0 she is struggling terribly with morning anxiety, then 1\/2 to 1 tablet as needed.\u00a0 In the evening she takes 2 capsules of Neurocalm which has 100 mg of GABA (and some other ingredients).<\/p>\n

Kristin confirmed that, once again, GABA was helping to ease her intrusive thoughts, anxiety and physical tension, all low GABA symptoms.<\/p>\n

I said to Kristin that I\u2019d reach out to Doctor\u2019s Data and have done so. I shared all this and I am hoping to hear back from them. I\u2019ll keep you posted when I do.<\/p>\n

Kristin has offered to share this blog with her integrative doctor who prescribed this test. I\u2019m hoping she does and you do too.<\/p>\n

I appreciate both these women sharing their experiences so I can share with you.<\/p>\n

Urinary neurotransmitter testing falls short and other practitioners weigh in too<\/h2>\n

I find many functional tests extremely useful and Doctor\u2019s Data is well regarded in functional medicine. However, I do find it very unfortunate that so many practitioners continue to use and recommend this test when it’s not useful, doesn’t correlate with symptoms and so often causes confusion, like in these instances (which are just two of many similar cases). By the way, they are not the only lab offering urinary neurotransmitter testing.<\/p>\n

Be sure to read this older blog: Urinary neurotransmitter testing falls short<\/a> where I share more about why I\u2019m not in favor of this testing.<\/p>\n

This feedback from Nora Gedgaudas, author of Primal Body Primal Mind<\/em> sums up what I often hear from other practitioners:<\/p>\n

I have considered the urinary testing approach and was even enamored of the concept at first. Once I looked into the idea more closely, though, it just didn\u2019t add up for me. I have been using amino acids now to address issues of mood, health and cognitive functioning for over 20 years. I have never used anything other than mood\/symptomatic screening to guide amino acid supplementation. Results tend to be uniformly good to excellent. The sheer overwhelming complexity of amino acid\/neurotransmitter activity in the human body\/brain-and the compartmentalized nature of the biochemistry of each seems to best lend itself to a more functional and symptom-related evaluation. Lab testing simply falls short of the mark here.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

A colleague and good friend of mine, Dr. Josh Friedman<\/a> posted this in the comments section of the above blog post (back in 2014), further supporting what practitioners are reporting about this testing:<\/p>\n

About a year ago I got excited about urinary neurotransmitter testing. I had been using Julia Ross\u2019 pencil and paper neurotransmitter deficiency assessment for many years with good success. Over the past year I have done the neurotransmitter testing on about 10 people with very inconsistent results. With 2-3 we hit a home run, where the recommended supplements were just the right thing to diminish the presenting symptoms. More often than not the recommended supplements seemed to give little relief or even make the symptoms worse. Additionally the testing and supplements are quite expensive.<\/p>\n

I have since given up on the testing and as I have found the pencil and paper NT deficiency sheet to be a more effective guide to treatment. When I am unable to make progress I will often turn to serum amino acid testing and the neurotransmitter markers on the Organic acid test offered by many functional medicine labs. In addition to information about neurotransmitter functioning, the Organic Acid Test provides information about other factors involved in mental health symptoms including levels of the yeast Candida, the bacterial infection Clostridia and others.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Of course, I wholeheartedly agree with both of them.<\/p>\n

As you can see from these two cases (and the many others in my book and on this blog), using the low GABA symptoms and a trial of GABA is best. It\u2019s the most effective way to determine if you need GABA initially and to monitor how it\u2019s helping. It also doesn\u2019t cost you anything more than your time and the GABA product\/s.<\/p>\n

Resources if you are new to using amino acids as supplements<\/h2>\n

If you are new to using any of the amino acids as supplements, here is the Amino Acids Mood Questionnaire from The Antianxiety Food Solution<\/a> (you can see all the symptoms of neurotransmitter imbalances, including low serotonin and low GABA).<\/p>\n

If you suspect low levels of any of the neurotransmitters and do not yet have my book, The Antianxiety Food Solution \u2013 How the Foods You Eat Can Help You Calm Your Anxious Mind, Improve Your Mood, and End Cravings<\/a>, I highly recommend getting it and reading it before jumping in and using amino acids on your own so you are knowledgeable. And be sure to share it with the practitioner\/health team you or your loved one is working with.<\/p>\n

There is an entire chapter on the amino acids and they are discussed throughout the book in the sections on gut health, gluten, blood sugar control, sugar cravings, self-medicating with alcohol and more.<\/p>\n

The book doesn\u2019t include product names (per the publisher\u2019s request) so this blog, The Antianxiety Food Solution Amino Acid and Pyroluria Supplements<\/a>, lists the amino acids that I use with my individual clients and those in my group programs. You can find them all in my online store.<\/p>\n

If, after reading this blog and my book, you don\u2019t feel comfortable figuring things out on your own (i.e. doing the symptoms questionnaire and respective amino acids trials), a good place to get help is the GABA QuickStart Program<\/a> (if you have low GABA symptoms). This is a paid online\/virtual group program where you get my guidance and community support.<\/p>\n

If you are a practitioner, join us in The Balancing Neurotransmitters: the Fundamentals<\/a> program. This is also a paid online\/virtual program with an opportunity to interact with me and other practitioners who are also using the amino acids.<\/p>\n

Have you done urinary neurotransmitter testing and did any of it correlate with the neurotransmitter deficiency symptoms?<\/p>\n

Have you been told to stop GABA that was helping to ease your symptoms – based on labs showing high GABA?<\/p>\n

If you\u2019re a practitioner I\u2019d love to hear your experiences using the urinary neurotransmitter testing.<\/p>\n

If you have questions please share them here too.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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